so that maybe you can change the environment for maybe how people are going to act come january. do i think it's sad that this is where we are? a little bit. but, you know, i'm a democrat. which means i was born an optimist. i believe all things are possible. so i'll take these first few steps as opposed to making grand, ideological statements that are big symbols and do nothing to really help us move forward. >> one question follow-up to you, kiki on that, immigration reformers, they've been depending on a budget deal. i think they assume let's get that done, then we can get immigration overhamm eoverhaule. i think most of us feel that is pretty much unfortunately dead in the water. it should have been something, at least the dreamer portion, should have been something that could have gotten done a long time ago. >> well, it may have been able to have gotten done a long time ago. that's a disappointment. i'm not ready to give up on that. maybe not the whole shebang. but the dreamer portion. if we can get the budget moving forward that lets a litling bit of oxygen back in the roo